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    Toyota FT-86 FR-S Automatic/Auto Transmission Official

    An automatic gearbox is confirmed for the Toyota FT-86 – it’s a six-speed unit based on the eight-speeder in the high-performance Lexus IS-F.

    Information on the Lexus IS-F 8 - Speed Transmission:
    In Detail: The Lexus IS F 8-Speed Sport Direct Shift Transmission


    Conquering a Stereotype
    Conventional wisdom has long held that a good manual transmission is always faster and more fun than an automatic transmission: Faster because it directly transfers power without the typical power loss of a torque converter, and more fun because it responds exactly to the driver’s commands with no delay.

    Fast, direct, fully controllable and predictable – exactly the desired qualities in any “driver’s car.” Moreover, precisely the qualities that describe the new Lexus IS F’s 8-Speed Sport Direct Shift transmission. The transmission is an arrow through the heart of conventional wisdom.

    But why go to the trouble of creating an automatic transmission that performs better and faster than a manual? After all, the simple yet effective manual transmission is held in high esteem by driving enthusiasts everywhere.

    Engineers love a challenge and when the IS F Chief Engineer dared his staff to build a paradigm-changing high-performance car, the conventional automatic transmission was a ripe target. Why? The IS F would not meet their lofty goals with anything less than a complete re-think of the gearbox. Goals that included scintillating track performance.

    You may not care much about the detail and might feel that driving is the only proof you need. If so, you’re encouraged to get some IS F seat time at your earliest opportunity. But if you would like to know how Lexus built the world’s fastest shifting automatic transmission, read on.

    Moving from Weakness to Strength
    In the process of creating a maximum performance car, Lexus has done nothing less than turn what is typically thought to be a weakness into a solid advantage. To illustrate the point, let’s get right to the qualities that make it so:

    • The worlds fastest shift time for street legal production cars. At 0.1 second, it’s faster than you.
    • Full manual shift control that can be instantly accessed by moving the console-mounted shift lever to “M” and then using either the steering wheel-mounted paddle shifters or the shift lever. In manual mode, it shifts only when you tell it to.
    • A direct feel unrivaled by conventional automatics, made possible via clutch lockup (yes, like a manual) employed in second through eighth gears
    • Ultra-quick throttle blipping downshifts match engine and gear speed to avoid sudden engine braking—an advantage during performance driving, on the track or on the road
    • First gear torque multiplication for maximum off-the-line acceleration
    • Smooth, yet quick and drama free automatic shifting, if that is what you desire

    These qualities add up to create a track-worthy ultra-high performance transmission that works for you, not against you, by responding to your demands the moment you want or need it to. And unlike other transmissions built for high performance duty, there is no pain required for your gain.

    Speed is Essential
    The most important quality in the development of the new gearbox was shift speed. Incredibly, the team looked at the world’s fastest shifting transmissions for reference and inspiration: Formula One. A typical F1 transmission shift time is approx. 0.05 seconds, with virtually imperceptible lag. The IS F shifts occur in approximately 1/10th of a second. The charts below put the remarkable shift speed of the IS F’s transmission in perspective.

    Upshift Downshift
    Begin with a Robust Design…
    The transmission team started with a new 8-speed automatic transmission design from the LS 460. This may sound like physical overkill but IS F would have notably more power than the LS and certainly be driven more aggressively, so a robust design was required.

    The cleverly designed gearbox is relatively light and uses a special planetary gear set that allows a more compact design. The whole unit weighs only 96.3 kg yet has more than enough torque capacity for the IS F’s 5.0-liter engine.

    …and Relentlessly Pursue Efficiency
    The team that designed and developed the transmission knew that they had to think without boundaries to achieve the type of performance on both road and track that skilled drivers demand. The surprising results are rooted in two key areas: Shift/lockup clutch operation and shift control. It also doesn’t hurt to have eight speeds in the g‘box. The so-called lockup clutch is not new to automatic transmissions, but the control strategy is. Traditional automatics have used the lockup clutch to make them more efficient by creating a direct power path between the engine and transmission. This is normally done in the upper gears and in low load operations to preserve smoothness while gaining fuel economy.

    The IS F turns this idea on its head by employing lockup in all gears except first when in manual mode. This eliminates any power loss from torque converter from 2nd through 8th gear while preserving desirable torque multiplication in first gear for stunning launch acceleration. The result is a direct feel unlike any other automatic, and right now response to the throttle.

    This lockup scenario surely creates excessive shift shock, you say? The intentional result is much more in the “useful feedback” category than shock. And remember we’re still in manual mode; Shifts are quite smooth and quick in auto mode but manual is so addicting, you may never look back.

    Add Strategic Control…
    In order to create the virtually instant upshifts (in manual mode), Lexus engineers developed new methods to control the hydraulic pressure that actuates the transmission clutches. A high flow-rate linear solenoid is one of the key elements that work together with special computer programming to provide quick and precise control in concert with engine torque. Ultra quick shifts—when you want them—are the outcome.

    The ability of the transmission to respond only to your commands yields a manual mode that is true to its name. It shifts only when you ask it to, and not when it thinks it should.

    In addition, a modified manual mode is readily accessible without even touching the shift lever. When driving in “D,” one only needs to tap the downshift paddle once to move into the modified manual mode. In this mode, one can shift manually as desired; the system returns to automatic when the vehicle is stopped or driven at a constant speed for a time.

    …and Performance without Pain is Assured
    The IS F SPort Direct Shift transmission manages to be both an amazingly effective manual and a refined automatic. One stereotype…conquered.

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    6 speed automatic eh, so even with an automatic transmission the FR-S/FT86 should still be a lot of fun! But i would take a manual over automatic any day!

    Now I really want to see some FR-S/FT86 performance tests done to see if we can still have a performance beast with the automatic transmission.

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    Let's just hope it does not have nanny override that won't let you ring it out or downshift into high RPM bands.

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    The Lexus IS-F 8 speed is pretty quick and responsive. I'm glad that the FT-86 FR-S transmission will be based off of it. The anytime access modified manual mode is a great feature on the 8-speed. Please bring it to the FR-S and FT-86!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by import_nation View Post
    The Lexus IS-F 8 speed is pretty quick and responsive. I'm glad that the FT-86 FR-S transmission will be based off of it. The anytime access modified manual mode is a great feature on the 8-speed. Please bring it to the FR-S and FT-86!!
    Do you know this from personal experience or what. I heard a lot of great things about the is-f 8 speed transmission and im itching to test it out!

    I have a feeling it might be too costly to bring a transmission like that to the FT86/FR-S or to even use some of the technology.

    I think Toyota is more likely to go this route with the MKV supra, higher cost, high end features, etc ... you get the point.

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    no more automagic 4 speed gear boxes or even 5 speed gear boxes... though i wonder what the shift points would be for a 6 speed automagic transmission.

    I'm sure they'd opt for a teptronic option for it.

    Even though it would of been awsome if they got GETRAG ro make the 6speed manual transmission

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    Well, hopefully it will have paddles, an autostick sucks IMO.

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    Was it confirmed that it would be paddle shift earlier? Any photos that show the steering wheel close up?

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