F-RS/BRZ hp numbers, weight

[Dionysos25]

I've been seeing reports around the interwebs of a 300bhp number for BRZ, and 200bhp number for FR-S, with a weight of around 2400lbs, anyone else been seeing these?

http://www.auto123.com/en/news/car-n...r?artid=136828

Toyota FT-86 and Subaru BRZ coupes finally revealed - BBC Top Gear

FT-86 and BRZ coupes set for Tokyo - Autocar.co.uk

[import_nation]

That is what is rumored for now yes.

[dboz]

How are they getting 300hp out of a BRZ NA motor when they can only get 275 out of it with a turbo?

[import_nation]

They stated that the BRZ will be under 300hp where as the FT86 will be around 200hp. I am guessing the BRZ will be between the FT86 and 300hp.

[AE86]

higher compression? so maybe the fr-s motor will be better to turbo as opposed to the brz?

[import_nation]

Apparently its somehow only the ECU that is different. Don't know how that'll work.

[AE86]

if its only the ecu that'd be extremly weird but if they changed compression of the motor and other internals the fr-s id still think would be a awesome boost application

[dboz]

if its only the ecu that'd be extremly weird but if they changed compression of the motor and other internals the fr-s id still think would be a awesome boost application

Let's hope we have at least WRX level guts to work around. If they have fragile rods, it will be a problem for making any sort of decent power. I am not into tearing a new engine down to build a forged setup. The guys 5 years down the line won't care since the car will be much cheaper and modders dream at that point.

[FR_S_Fan]

Apparently its somehow only the ECU that is different. Don't know how that'll work.

So they say....

I don't believe it can just be the ECU.


BTW we have a topic about the ECU found in the FR-S, FT-86 & BRZ and if it's the only thing that will cause a difference in horsepower between the three models or not.....

FR-S, FT-86 & BRZ power output will vary depending on each brands ECU

[FRSJOE]

I still think there is no explaining the price difference between the FR-S and BRZ without going Forced Induction. There is no POSSIBLE way a FRS can be around $22k and the BRZ around $27K without something seriously different under the hood. Here is my theory.

The reason we have not seen a BRZ in the flesh is because there is something about the exterior of the car that gives it away as being FI. FMIC? TMIC? Boost Guage? Who knows, All I know is toyota has been showing concepts for years/ Subaru? Nothing! I'll bet my left nut the BRZ is FI with an output close to 300hp and a price of about $27k.
The FR-S will be NA from the factory $22k with a TRD Supercharger as a dealer installed option like the camry and tacoma that will bump horsepower up to 260 or so...

[dboz]

I still think there is no explaining the price difference between the FR-S and BRZ without going Forced Induction. There is no POSSIBLE way a FRS can be around $22k and the BRZ around $27K without something seriously different under the hood. Here is my theory.

The reason we have not seen a BRZ in the flesh is because there is something about the exterior of the car that gives it away as being FI. FMIC? TMIC? Boost Guage? Who knows, All I know is toyota has been showing concepts for years/ Subaru? Nothing! I'll bet my left nut the BRZ is FI with an output close to 300hp and a price of about $27k.
The FR-S will be NA from the factory $22k with a TRD Supercharger as a dealer installed option like the camry and tacoma that will bump horsepower up to 260 or so...

Joe, we all hope you are correct!! That would be killer for a BRZ with the WRX config under the hood!!!

[import_nation]

I still think there is no explaining the price difference between the FR-S and BRZ without going Forced Induction. There is no POSSIBLE way a FRS can be around $22k and the BRZ around $27K without something seriously different under the hood. Here is my theory.

The reason we have not seen a BRZ in the flesh is because there is something about the exterior of the car that gives it away as being FI. FMIC? TMIC? Boost Guage? Who knows, All I know is toyota has been showing concepts for years/ Subaru? Nothing! I'll bet my left nut the BRZ is FI with an output close to 300hp and a price of about $27k.
The FR-S will be NA from the factory $22k with a TRD Supercharger as a dealer installed option like the camry and tacoma that will bump horsepower up to 260 or so...

We can all DREAM

[import_nation]

Let's hope we have at least WRX level guts to work around. If they have fragile rods, it will be a problem for making any sort of decent power. I am not into tearing a new engine down to build a forged setup. The guys 5 years down the line won't care since the car will be much cheaper and modders dream at that point.

If the FR-S has strong internals stock that would be a huge selling point for aftermarket tuning heads. That is probably my most anticipated concern.