I still think that there will be a N/A engine and a turbo'd engine, but I do have to say something in this cars defense. I have owned a car with 260hp/260lbft of torque(2.0 liter) and I had a daily driver 240sx which had 140hp and 152lbft of torque which was a very fun car to drive. If this boxer engine is torquey like they claim, it will be fun to drive.
I think the recalls and the latest lack of sports car from Toyota has left buyers disappointed, or at least thats how I feel....not sure what he meant by it.
Don't forget about that sound! I'll be rolling on the throttle in 4th gear all day, gas mileage be damned!
when i herd it was gonna be the boxster engine i nearly had a heart attack, best sounding motor out there that isnt in a 100K+ car.
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Originally Posted by Molsen ME109
They'll be competing with the genesis coupe. That has a turbo, so why not the toyota?
im not sure it would compete with that, the genisis is so damn heavy, ive herd complaints about the 4cyl turbo verson being to heavy and with too much lag. this car with 250 hp...it will be faster then the base genisis but slower then the GT. if this car is released as ive herd its supposed to be sub 3k lbs (prolly sub 3200 turboed). this would compete with the mazdaspeed3, cobalt ss, GTI R32(if they still make that) and the WRX.
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i think hes referring to the recalls, which wouldnt effect this car besides price anyways. if anything the recalls will be a plus. their cars are already cheaper as a result of all this and its been blown up because of their share of the market place. it isnt a coincidence that the biggest fuss has been made at the biggest compeditor to US automakers. they are just playing the right cards and it may benifit us in the end.
The D-4S is the Toyota direct (fuel into the cylinder) injection system which should be engineered on to the Subaru (H4?) engine. There is at least one Lexus model (IS250?) with this direct injection and it makes a useful amount more power and torque than the stock non D-*S engines.
Most new Lexus car engines are direct injection (exceptions are the ES350, SC430, and GS460). But, there are two types of Toyota direct injection: D-4 and D-4S.
D-4S is Toyota's high performance dual injection fuel system (port and direct). It's used in the 306hp 2GR-FSE in the IS350/GS350, the 380hp 1UR-FSE in the LS460, and the 416hp 2UR-GSE in the IS-F.
The IS250's 4GR-FSE is the normal D-4 direct injection.
Since the Subaru boxer engine has been fitted with Toyota's D-4S system, we should see around 175hp-200+hp depending on tuning and/or model.
We might only see 200+hp if this engine uses Subaru's Dual-AVCS variable valve timing. And without a turbo, the boxer engine will have equal length exhaust, which means it won't have the signature Subie (turbo) boxer sound.
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We might only see 200+hp if this engine uses Subaru's Dual-AVCS variable valve timing. And without a turbo, the boxer engine will have equal length exhaust, which means it won't have the signature Subie (turbo) boxer sound.
really, i didnt know thats what made that sound, i thought it was just the HO factor. id still love it, two of my favorite automakers having a love child...cant go wrong.
question however for anyone who knows, why does subie choose a boxer setup for their motors? dont they even do it with their 6 cyls too. what advantage does it provide other then space considerations?
really, i didnt know thats what made that sound, i thought it was just the HO factor. id still love it, two of my favorite automakers having a love child...cant go wrong.
question however for anyone who knows, why does subie choose a boxer setup for their motors? dont they even do it with their 6 cyls too. what advantage does it provide other then space considerations?
in terms of the whole turbo/non turbo discussion... Isnt the turbo version only going to be the subaru version, and the toyota version will only be availabe in japan, everywhere else will get the subaru version?
in terms of the whole turbo/non turbo discussion... Isnt the turbo version only going to be the subaru version, and the toyota version will only be availabe in japan, everywhere else will get the subaru version?
no. everywhere will get the toyota version. theres also a turbo version coming out for the ft86. pretty much the only thing that will be different between the two cars is the drivetrain(rwd/awd) and the exterior of the car. everything else is said to be almost identical.
no. everywhere will get the toyota version. theres also a turbo version coming out for the ft86. pretty much the only thing that will be different between the two cars is the drivetrain(rwd/awd) and the exterior of the car. everything else is said to be almost identical.
do you have a link to where they said their will be a turbo version? Everything rescent I've read says itll be a 2.0 n/a engine, and that they were knocking the hp down to 160 for economical reasons. I'd love to be wrong tho, lol
do you have a link to where they said their will be a turbo version? Everything rescent I've read says itll be a 2.0 n/a engine, and that they were knocking the hp down to 160 for economical reasons. I'd love to be wrong tho, lol
I think hes talking about the FT-86 G's Sport concept which is rumored to be getting a 2.0L turbo charged engine. I don't think 160hp will be for the regular FT-86/FR-S. I think they're knocking down the hp numbers for the hybrid version. At 160hp it will be significantly underpowered against its competition and Toyota is very aware of that.
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